How can we really and truly defeat Islam, ISIS, ISIL, and every other (genuine or contrived boogeyman) used by our Pagan Political Right and Pagan Political Left Statist “leaders” and “experts” to lead us by the nose to perpetual war abroad and deeper into the living hell of Orwellian Statism at home? (See: Problem>Reaction>Solution – Why we will beg to have our freedoms taken away and go to war forever. and Oops! We “accidentally armed ISIS”…again…)
Repent and submit to Christ as King.
We have to repent of our championing the “right” to openly worship false gods, including the very Allah in whose name Muslims act. (See: Note to ‘Merica: There is no “God-given right” to worship false gods. Repent accordingly.)
We have to repent of our championing the “freedom” to “legally protect” the open, ongoing, systematic mass murder and dismemberment of millions and millions of our own little baby boys in girls, sacrificing them on the altars of convenience and profit. (See: Selling murdered baby parts in America? Sure. Why not?)
We have to repent of our global grandstanding, threatening to send massive armies that we simply cannot afford here, there, and everywhere to wage wars on the likes of ISIS while we use our “law officers” at home to “legally protect” and keep the doors open at baby butchering “clinics” a;; across the fruited plain. (See: If ISIS did to one American child what Planned Parenthood does to millions, we’d go to war and kill them for it.)
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We have to repent of our past and present worship of “We the People” and America as god in practice. (See: The America Idol: How “Christians” Worship and Enable the Anti-Christ State.)
We have to ditch the delusions.
We have to ditch the pride by which we’ve been do profoundly manipulated for so many generations.
We have to get on our knees, pray, and beg for forgiveness.
We have to repent, believe, and submit to Christ as King in practice.
He will then do battle for us…and perfectly so.
No false god or idol, be it Allah or America, can possibly stand against Him. They all fall in the end.
Repentance and submission to Christ as King is the only way. It is the only real solution.
So will America defeat Islam? Or will the one true God use Islam to ravage and punish America for her prideful, ongoing proclamation of “We the People” as god in practice?
And yeah, you didn’t hear anything like this in last night’s Republican “debate”…because the Statists who’ve carefully led us this far into the Orwellian hell mentioned earlier aren’t about to stop now. The last thing they will ever do of their own accord is lead us toward repentance and abandonment of the very America Idol they are consecrated to cherish and defend to the bitter – and inevitable – end. (See: 5 things every Statist will agree on at tomorrow’s Republican “debate”.)
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Greg Logan,
Your view of Scripture is preposterous.
By your logic, Christ is not with us always, since He was speaking to the 11.
By your logic, the Holy Spirit does not give us His power, since in Acts 1:8, Jesus was addressing the same audience.
For that matter, Luke was addressing Theophilus. Paul was addressing the ecclessia in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc.
We are told in 1 Tim 3:16, that all Scripture is profitable for the man of God. Of course there is the immediate context to be considered. But there is also the greater or general context. For instance, in Psalms, David spoke often of his own situation, but these encouragements, promises, admonitions, confessions and admonitions are also for us. In Psalm 72, Solomon is being referred to. But the greater context clearly points to the reign of the Messiah.
Hope this helps.
Greg Logan,
Your view of Scripture is preposterous.
By your logic, Christ is not with us always, since He was speaking to the 11.
By your logic, the Holy Spirit does not give us His power, since in Acts 1:8, Jesus was addressing the same audience.
For that matter, Luke was addressing Theophilus. Paul was addressing the ecclessia in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc.
We are told in 1 Tim 3:16, that all Scripture is profitable for the man of God. Of course there is the immediate context to be considered. But there is also the greater or general context. For instance, in Psalms, David spoke often of his own situation, but these encouragements, promises, admonitions, confessions and admonitions are also for us. In Psalm 72, Solomon is being referred to. But the greater context clearly points to the reign of the Messiah.
Hope this helps.
Or we could, you know, send brothers and sisters (and go ourselves, if so called) to live and die showing these unbelievers the sacrificial love, grace, and mercy of our Lord?
We could actually fulfill the Great Commission, and instead of defeating these rebels with force, pray that God would conquer their souls. He did it with Paul! He can do it with them.
It is the government's God-given role to fight against ISIS. But it is our God-given role to lay down our resources and lives for them! Don't forget, we too were once like them.
I am also wondering why the Firebreather is focusing on the world – which God specifically said is HIS domain (ICor5:12,13) rather than the Church alone – which God said is the disciples domain to judge.
Christianity 101: The Great Commission calls us to make disciples of all peoples and all nations who will obey all that Christ has commanded (see: Matthew 28:18-20). We are also commanded to take every thought – and thereby every action – captive to Christ (see: 2 Corinthians 10:5), which obviously includes all legal, educational, artistic, technological and civil governmental thought, just to name a few. The internal, institutional Church discipline issues addressed in 1 Corinthians 5 have no conflict with any of these concepts whatsoever. The fact that Christ has ordained specific approaches and requirements pertaining to the institution of the Church in no way negates what He has clearly commanded His obedient people (also the Church) to do by way of taking **every** thought and action captive and teaching everyone in the world to do the same.
I hope that these clarifications are helpful.
Hey Scott
Thanks for the follow-up! How about if we re-read that text a couple times.
First, let's keep in mind the audience. The 11 Disciples. PERIOD. Jesus was speaking to them – He was NOT speaking directly to you or me, etc. This was a command to THEM – NOT to you and me. He will take care of providing you and me commands as He chooses – and they may be the same or different.
Second, we are NOT to teach everyone in the world to take every action and thought captive. We are to teach THE CHURCH to take every thought captive. The first bit of teaching is actually in Christianity 1 – and it is called – carefully and accurately reading the text.
Now I repeat my questions with respect to ICor5:12, 13 – which Mt28:18 – 20 perfectly correspond… (naturally, this is the Word of God after all…).
Best,
Greg Logan
That's a very Satanic approach to Scripture, the Gospel, and the Great Commission that you have there, Greg.
Could you explain what you mean by that, Scott? How is it Satanic to read the "thought" passage as actually referring to thoughts of Christians? What do you mean by "Satanic," and what is your evidence for saying so? It's a pretty harsh accusation to level, so some Scriptural support for it would be great. =)
It's interesting to note the context of that verse from 2 Corinthians. Paul had just been entreating the Corinthian church to continue to live out the gospel (especially, in chapter 9, in giving generously to the church in Jerusalem). And right before the verse you quoted, he says, "I beg of you that when I am present I may not have to show boldness with such confidence as I count on showing against some who suspect us of walking according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to Christ…" (10:2-5). It seems, in this context, that Paul is very much focusing on a spiritual and thought-based warfare, rather than physical. Obviously, our own actions will flow out of our thoughts! That is a big part of both letters to the Corinthians. But, two things to keep in mind:
1) It is OUR thoughts we are taking captive. Not others'.
2) We are waging a spiritual war for minds and hearts. Once minds and hearts are conquered by God, then actions will (and should) flow from that God-based perspective. But not before! All of this presupposes God's work in our hearts.
Does that all make sense? I apologize if it's a little sloppily written… just taking a break from some reading, so I don't have a lot of time to hash out my arguments =)
All actions are preceded by thought, Rivkah. To imagine that one can take every thought captive without taking every action captive is nonsensical. Christ has not commanded, called, and equipped the pursuit of obedience in *all* things merely in the immaterial realms of thought, leaving actions to be whatever we like apart from His Word. He has commanded, called, and equipped His true people to take every thought and every action captive to Him in every realm of creation. The insistence of many these days to try to somehow keep Christ and Christianity "safely sequestered" away from the physical world, which is just as much Christ's property as the immaterial, flies in the face of a biblical worldview. I've been flooding the blog with Scripture references along these lines; they are easy to find if you look.
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross." (Colossians 1:15-20 ESV)
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5 ESV) This quite obviously includes every political, legal, and governmental thought that necessarily preceded any political, legal, and governmental action. There is no rational way to propose the subjugation of thoughts to Christ without taking all thought-dependent actions captive to Him as well.
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Again, Christ has commanded and equipped us to take ALL things captive to Him. Advocating that any thing or realm or area of life must not be taken captive to Him is to advocate a satanic approach to the thing in question. (See: Genesis 3)
(Matthew 28:18-20 ESV)
But can we take unbelievers' thoughts (and thus actions) captive to Christ? Because that is what you are advocating if you want a completely Christian society and government. Where is that in Scripture? WE, as believers, are to take every thought (and, as I noted in my previous comment, that implies OUR OWN actions as well) captive, yes, in the way we conduct ourselves around unbelievers, in the way we vote, in the way we do every single thing in life! That is obvious from Scripture, and I wasn't arguing that point. But you are advocating something different. You are advocating using government to impose actions on unbelievers… but that will serve them nothing! If a sinner stops outwardly sinning, his heart will still remain as sinful as ever. We can't go after actions! We have to go after the hearts of others, and then AFTER conversion THEY will be able to take every thought (and, yes, action) captive to Christ.
No Rivkah, that is not at all what I am advocating and it is never what Scripture has advocated at any time. The Gospel-fueled Great Commission is just that: Gospel-fueled. All governments and all laws are based on either God or man. There is no law and no government that is neutral toward God. None. The biblical answer to the question "upon what do we base any law or approach to government" is always: Upon the Nature of God as revealed in His Word. The satanic answer to the same question is to reject that notion using any man-centered bit of spin and rationalization necessary.
Law and government – like everything else in God's creation – are only as good or as evil as they conform or fail to conform to His Word.
As for the proposition that we "can't go after action", that is as nonsensical as anything else suggested here. The action of murder, the action of rape, the action of theft, the action of kidnapping, and all sorts of other actions are certainly legitimate object of law enforcement, but only insofar as these violations conform to the revealed will of God (His Word) as to what is, and what is not illegal.
When you choose another standard for **your** preferred approach to law, you take the serpent's advice in Genesis 3 and will suffer the consequences.
There is no right law or government apart from the Law of God as perfectly embodied by the King of kings.
Scott – So actually reading, understanding and applying the ACTUAL text of scripture – rather than what we want it to say or what tradition tells us to say – is Satanic. Geez….
I note that you did not bother to address the issues I identified but simply went ballistic and ad hominen. I would kindly to suggest that what you are breathing is not fire – but fumes….
Agape,
Greg Logan
So lots of seemingly self-righteous moralizing here but I wonder if most of it is just more phony religious flesh?
Let's do a test – God made cannabis, God called it good and gave it to mankind (Gen1). The current US Federal and State laws call it evil by criminalizing it. Does the "FireBreathing Christian" actively advocate getting the government OUT of controlling God's creation – OUT of the government calling it evil – and returning God's creation to His people (along with all of the other creation of God).
I am trying to see whether there is real fire here and simply one of of those aluminum foil spinning things with little artificial lights.
I am hoping for the former – I am fearing the latter – but open to exploring.
Repent of your rebellion against your Creator – Almighty God. You are accountable to Him for every idle word that comes out of your mouth. Jesus commands you to Repent. Today is the day of your salvation.
Scott
You are not helping your case for being a phony religionist. Again – I gave you clear scripture and you go on a rant. How about addressing the facts??
Agape,
Greg Logan